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Update 12/22 09:00 - David Pollak has a wrtiten an article on the complexity of the soccer-baseball relationship. Ever the ballpark advocat...
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When certain San Jose supporters privately told me several months ago about a possible November ballot measure for an A's ballpark, I wa...
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In the last few weeks, I've gotten several requests to add a particular Oakland site for review on the blog. The site in question is a v...
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Over the weekend, DC area architect Roger K. Lewis wrote a column for the Washington Post that serves as a primer for the ballpark construc...
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Fremont Councilman Steve Cho is keeping up his call for a ballot measure to decide the ballpark village. The other council members and the ...
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True to form, Mayor Dellums' office is talking up Howard Terminal as a ballpark site. Only they're not. Sorta kinda. A KRON report ...
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UPDATE: Trib columnist Art Spander fired off an angry column this morning in response to the news. Out of today's Tribune comes the fol...
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Merc sports columnist Mark Purdy has always been an unabashed San Jose partisan, and his column in Sunday's edition will start many mor...
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Tonight was the first Opening Night I've missed since college, going back 15 years. Instead, I was with family and friends across the pl...
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Opposition has to come from somewhere, and its most consistent form appears to be former Fremont mayor Gus Morrison, who wrote a letter to t...
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Previous Polls
5/25 - The SJ Giants should...
Stay in SJ - 16 (17%)
Be reborn as the SJ A's - 7 (7%)
Move to North/East Bay - 27 (29%)
Move to Salinas/South Co. - 25 (27%)
Move elsewhere in CA - 16 (17%)
4/5 - At a game I usually eat...
Stadium fare - 81 (64%)
Food I got from another establishment - 11 (8%)
Tailgate grub - 8 (6%)
Something I brought from home - 19 (15%)
Nothing - 6 (4%)
3/15 - Projected '09 Attendance
17,500 per game - 37 (31%)
20,000 - 33 (28%)
22,500 - 25 (21%)
25,000 - 10 (8%)
27,500 - 3 (2%)
30,000 - 9 (7%)
3/8 - Ideal Ballpark Capacity?
30,000 - 13 (5%)
35,000 - 83 (33%)
40,000 - 114 (46%)
45,000 - 28 (11%)
50,000 - 8 (3%)
3/1 - The A's will end up in:
Oakland - 90 (32%)
San Jose - 153 (55%)
Sacramento - 17 (6%)
Elsewhere - 15 (5%)
Stay in SJ - 16 (17%)
Be reborn as the SJ A's - 7 (7%)
Move to North/East Bay - 27 (29%)
Move to Salinas/South Co. - 25 (27%)
Move elsewhere in CA - 16 (17%)
4/5 - At a game I usually eat...
Stadium fare - 81 (64%)
Food I got from another establishment - 11 (8%)
Tailgate grub - 8 (6%)
Something I brought from home - 19 (15%)
Nothing - 6 (4%)
3/15 - Projected '09 Attendance
17,500 per game - 37 (31%)
20,000 - 33 (28%)
22,500 - 25 (21%)
25,000 - 10 (8%)
27,500 - 3 (2%)
30,000 - 9 (7%)
3/8 - Ideal Ballpark Capacity?
30,000 - 13 (5%)
35,000 - 83 (33%)
40,000 - 114 (46%)
45,000 - 28 (11%)
50,000 - 8 (3%)
3/1 - The A's will end up in:
Oakland - 90 (32%)
San Jose - 153 (55%)
Sacramento - 17 (6%)
Elsewhere - 15 (5%)
Selected posts
- Tuesday with Lew
- The post-Fremont strategy
- A's move to KTRB
- CSN California it is!
- Updated Ballpark Transit Comparison
- Lucky? San Jose
- Don't want San Jose info? ...
- KTVU: Selig letter surfaces
- A Territorial Rights Primer
- Finally, Oakland responds
- Fall 2008 Progress Report
- Reconstructing the Coliseum
- Oakland: Let's try Plan B
- Deconstruction the Coliseum Part I
- Deconstructing the Coliseum Part II
- Hope for Sacramento?
- What about Sacramento?
- More Market-Related Food for Thought
- Expect to go over budget
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- 511 - Bay Area Transit links
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- Team Marketing Report
Attendance Watch '09
- Last game: 16,591
- 2009 avg. (81 gms): 17,392
- 2008 avg. (78 gms): 19,938
- Difference: -2,530 per game
- Median (2008): 19,287
- 2009 total (81 gms): 1,408,783
- 2008 total (78 gms): 1,555,192
- 2008 total (w. Japan): 1,663,262
- 2009 Std Dev: 6,718
- 2008 Std Dev: 7,094
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9 comments:
Great article R.M.!!
Excellent work Rhamesis! Very well written and quite comprehensive.
If you ever want a second set of eyes to help proofread future articles, just let me know. It's something in which I have a fair bit of experience. And I know how hard it is to catch things when you've read a piece a million times.
Kudos from me too, Rhamesis, Vertigo, Marinelayer, or whatever you want to be called as long as it's not late for supper :)
Your argument for San Jose appears to be getting stronger with each successive posting. However, you've also laid some pretty convincing evidence as to why the Giants should fight like hell to keep their territorial rights.
Bud Selig has let it slip on more than one occaison that he feels moving the A's to Oakland was a mistake. Still he appears to be leaving a tiny bit of "wiggle room"(in his comments) for a South Bay deal. Therefore, it makes me wonder if MLB has serious doubts about the viability of Portland, Vegas, or any other market that wants a team.
You also seem confident that Selig is unlikely to revisit contraction. I'm not sure I agree with that. In the end, I think a San Jose deal happens only if EVERY OTHER alternative is undoable(including contraction)
Nice work RM! It's good to see your work on this topic aknowledged and published. As PG said, if you ever want a second set of eyes, feel free to call on us.
Excellent article. I don't agree with georob that there is a strong San Jose argument. Instead, I thought it was an excellent comprehensive piece on the situation as a whole.
One of the things I had to explain to the scout.com people was that I wasn't going to "handicap" any city's chances because I didn't feel I had the knowledge or authority to do so. There are so many factors that go into whether a team stays or goes, rules that are enforced, bent, or broken, so the thing I can do is put out as much information as I get my hands on.
R.M.,
In regards to your article...wouldn't you agree that game attendance has more to do with a team winning, vs. if another team exists in the market. The whole territorial argument appears to stem from "butts in the seat" arguments...your team will steal fans from my team. But if you look across the baseball realm, you will see many single market teams (even with new retro ballparks) where attendance is horrible because the product is horrible. If Magowan is so worried about AT&T's attendance in the coming years, he should focus on putting a winning team on the field...not some team possibly existing 50 miles away.
That's a good argument, but no owner wants to hear any of that. The whole point of the getting a fancy new pad is to insulate the team from the backlash caused by poor on-field performance by putting in better amenities and by locking fans up with seat licenses. It's not an argument that holds water to them because to them, on-field performance is a variable they can control the least.
Whether they be large or small markets, comparing the A's to ANY single market team is a waste of time. The A's "share" a market with the Giants which leaves NY, LA, Chicago, and possibly Baltimore/DC as the only reasonable comparisons out there.
If the A's had even the smallest baseball market to themselves, they would at least have all print and broadcast media to themselves; with no competition to worry about if they ever decided to embark upon an extended rebuilding program.
Not the case here, which is why Billy Beane always strives to field a competetive team for the regular season instead of making riskier moves to try and get the A's deep into the post season.
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