tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post9055623670242011787..comments2023-10-16T03:27:54.609-07:00Comments on new A's ballpark: Cutting through the B.S.Marine Layerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13515986023439927575noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-55324483252847926492009-09-13T07:44:18.876-07:002009-09-13T07:44:18.876-07:00I see that the situation in the Bay Area is simila...I see that the situation in the Bay Area is similar to what we faced in Minneapolis. Eventually, the politicians will bite the bullet and anti up in the form of a sales tax like they did here. Remember that the Coliseum is still baseball OUTDOORS and the Metrodome may be the worst ballpark ever conceived. This may be a little off topic but hopefully it makes some sense.All The Way Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10809820252663397042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-64252654101714805812009-09-10T16:45:02.529-07:002009-09-10T16:45:02.529-07:00Oh yah!
Anon 10:20 nailed it! That's what br...Oh yah!<br /><br />Anon 10:20 nailed it! That's what bringing MLB to San Jose is all about!<br /><br />To answer your question R.M. regarding the land lease: of course it's worth it!Tony D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03392232221747908883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-50912020730276212852009-09-10T16:42:19.749-07:002009-09-10T16:42:19.749-07:00R.M.,
Prof. Matheson's suggestion that the $42...R.M.,<br />Prof. Matheson's suggestion that the $42 million in city money used to buy Diridon South is a form of "public subsidy" is absurd! That would only be the case if the city were to just hand over the plots to A's/Lew Wolff AT NO COST. While I personally would not object to that, it hasn't been mentioned as an option and would be very controversial. Even claiming a below-market rate lease is a form of "public subsidy" is a reach.<br /><br />What gets me is this: the city has been land-banking across downtown and the rest of the city for years. The city then sells or leases the banked land to private company's for an assortment of purposes: residential, retail, commercial developments. Yet throw in "sports facility" as a purpose, and all of a sudden there's controversy. HUHH!?<br /><br />By the way, that's all we need at Diridon South are a couple of empty "Sobrato Tower-like" office high-rises.Tony D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03392232221747908883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-62676238711006483822009-09-10T15:44:22.367-07:002009-09-10T15:44:22.367-07:00ML,
Who would determine what is a "below-mark...ML,<br />Who would determine what is a "below-market land lease?" Especially in this economy? <br /><br />I'm sure even if the city and A's agree to a market-rate land lease for Diridon South, someone could complain it's to little (or even to much I suppose).<br /><br />What do you foresee as the going rate for leasing Diridon South?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-71383929959900393192009-09-10T12:15:34.287-07:002009-09-10T12:15:34.287-07:00These types of analyses don't go into qualitat...These types of analyses don't go into qualitative matters such as quality-of-life. There's no doubt that having a local MLB franchise improves this, but that benefit is impossible to measure. For that reason, it's left out.<br /><br />What this all comes down to is whether or not a below-market land lease from the city is worth having the A's for the next 30-40 years.Marine Layerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13515986023439927575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-56563557897976379292009-09-10T10:20:32.096-07:002009-09-10T10:20:32.096-07:00I guess based upon these analyses than no city ben...I guess based upon these analyses than no city benefits from having a professional sports franchise--<br /><br />What's missing for me based upon these "expert analyses" is the benefit of having a diverse set of entertainment options that make your city an attractive area to live, locate a business or to visit. These are key to the economic prosperity of a region.<br /><br />From this perspective I can't imagine a bunch of additional office towers would have the same impact as a ballpark in that area--adding to the "atmosphere" of San Jose and making it a more attractive place to work, live and play--Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-81181434702337703342009-09-05T18:39:27.852-07:002009-09-05T18:39:27.852-07:0050% of the ballpark attendees coming from San Jose...50% of the ballpark attendees coming from San Jose seemed like a really big number to me. So I took the Oakland advanced ticket sales numbers <a href="http://newballpark.blogspot.com/2009/04/oakland-fd-training-site.html?showComment=1239827880000#c7641497940001017963/" rel="nofollow"> provided by ML </a> (by way of the Fremont study) and extrapolated to the SJ situation. First, I graphed the ticket sales based upon the approximate distance of the buyers from the Coliseum (distances based on the home county of the buyer). I normalized for county population since that obvious is a huge factor. I then took the slope of that line and applied it to the Diridon ballpark. <br /><br />If this method is not totally flawed,<a href="http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt60/gojohn10/Diridon_park_labels.jpg?t=1252200646/" rel="nofollow"> San Jose citizens will constitute only ~22% of attendees at Cisco Field</a> (The number below the county/city name is the yearly contribution to attendance). If 1 million fans truly end up coming from San Jose alone, this is going to be a very popular venue. I realize I’m beating a dead horse here, but one would think that would justify adding more than the 32K seats. I know my estimate makes a bunch of assumptions, but so does the reports issued by San Jose. At least I tell you how I got my numbers.gojohn10https://www.blogger.com/profile/03563494204723561825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-90691805539649312712009-09-05T08:51:33.500-07:002009-09-05T08:51:33.500-07:00Do any of them want to live in waterfront property...Do any of them want to live in waterfront property in Oakland? Nope. They all live in Black Hawk, Danville and Walnut Creek. Fortunately for them, Los Gatos, Monte Sereno, etc will be a nice step up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-77727378762167776342009-09-04T22:48:06.437-07:002009-09-04T22:48:06.437-07:00Will any of the A's players want to live on wa...Will any of the A's players want to live on waterfront property in Alviso?Davy Jonesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-76812915506651541472009-09-04T16:26:11.622-07:002009-09-04T16:26:11.622-07:00The original 2004 plan included the fire training ...The original 2004 plan included the fire training site and the land across Autumn St, adjacent to Los Gatos Creek. The current study area only includes the 14 acres bounded by W San Fernando, Autumn, and Park.Marine Layerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13515986023439927575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-21096987090184807212009-09-04T15:39:57.275-07:002009-09-04T15:39:57.275-07:00Marine Layer clone Jeff here... Over on Field of S...Marine Layer clone Jeff here... Over on Field of Schemes and in the Economic Impact Report there is a reference to 23 acres for the stadium... What are the extra 9 acres? <br /><br />I am a head scratching on this one.Jeffreyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14086938574207856042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-10701483058507011982009-09-04T14:34:52.594-07:002009-09-04T14:34:52.594-07:00@ anon 2:08,
An Oakland-only partisan finally sur...@ anon 2:08,<br /><br />An Oakland-only partisan finally surfaced. Hopefully this doesn't open up the floodgates of delusion and B.S.!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-40876933526563499122009-09-04T14:26:26.755-07:002009-09-04T14:26:26.755-07:000%? What the heck?0%? What the heck?Jeffreyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14086938574207856042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-390547270597352142009-09-04T14:08:59.745-07:002009-09-04T14:08:59.745-07:000%0%Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-53651160879530978502009-09-04T12:17:39.586-07:002009-09-04T12:17:39.586-07:00cbg: If baseball looks at San Jose from a realisti...cbg: If baseball looks at San Jose from a realistic business perspective, it's a slam-dunk. If baseball looks at San Jose as an inconsequential suburb of San Francisco and is more concerned with nonsensical "territorial rights," then it won't happen. As I said in another thread, one owner reportedly was led to believe San Jose was "right next door" to San Francisco. This mega-millionaire didn't even know (or bother to research for himself) that San Jose is 48 miles from Frisco.<br /><br />So that's what we're up against here.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11522461805231021567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-633428230194302972009-09-04T11:05:08.757-07:002009-09-04T11:05:08.757-07:00Thanks for the analysis ML.
I'm an A's fa...Thanks for the analysis ML.<br /><br />I'm an A's fan who doesn't care where the A's end up as long as it is in the Bay Area.<br /><br />What I find troubling is the last paragraph of the forbes.com article. The piece conveys that SJ is the last option for Northern California. What happens if SJ falls through?<br /><br />It makes so much sense for MLB to have the A's in San Jose but it bugs the heck out of me that there's still a possibility it won't happen and the A's will leave the Bay Area.<br /><br />When talking to people about this issue many believe that the A's moving to San Jose is a formality, while others think it it'll never happen due to t-rights, MLB owners voting against it, etc. I know many who post here are biased but, I guess my question is, what are the realistic chances that the A's will move to San Jose?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-61885716982831019482009-09-04T09:59:25.243-07:002009-09-04T09:59:25.243-07:00By the way R.M.,
Noticed ancillary development isn...By the way R.M.,<br />Noticed ancillary development isn't part of this whole EIR equation. That will show the true benefit of bringing MLB to downtown San Jose. Think $2-$5 billion in private investment around Petco Park.Tony D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03392232221747908883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-83542434292106559482009-09-04T09:53:12.977-07:002009-09-04T09:53:12.977-07:00Dan: The Sharks tried and failed to get an exempti...Dan: The Sharks tried and failed to get an exemption from the curfew. They have had to learn to live with it. <br /><br />I don't think the curfew is a deal-breaker for San Jose but it's certainly something that would go in the "negative" column when looking at the good and bad of letting the A's move south.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11522461805231021567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-74561849940053914822009-09-04T09:30:06.226-07:002009-09-04T09:30:06.226-07:00Now your reaching Paul.Now your reaching Paul.Tony D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03392232221747908883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-40364845474229126732009-09-04T09:27:06.778-07:002009-09-04T09:27:06.778-07:00Paul, they could always find a way to get an excep...Paul, they could always find a way to get an exception like Oracle's CEO.Dannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-56423324556997114022009-09-04T09:12:14.198-07:002009-09-04T09:12:14.198-07:00...one thing that scares me: Wait till MLB hears a......one thing that scares me: Wait till MLB hears about the San Jose airport curfew. <br /><br />"Just so your players can wax nostalgic, we're going to make you land in Oakland after 11:30 pm since our airport is closed. The other teams, too."<br /><br />The Sharks and the NHL have had to deal with this nuisance since 1993 and don't like it much.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11522461805231021567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-65386928819623678802009-09-04T09:05:14.563-07:002009-09-04T09:05:14.563-07:00Thanks for the thorough analysis, ML.
Like you, I...Thanks for the thorough analysis, ML.<br /><br />Like you, I doubt too many players will live in SJ proper. Those that do decide to live in the South Bay are much more likely to end up in Saratoga, Monte Sereno or Los Gatos.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-4484491435372048682009-09-04T08:32:57.679-07:002009-09-04T08:32:57.679-07:00It isn't for MLB's consumption. It's f...It isn't for MLB's consumption. It's for the San Jose voter. MLB has its own criteria.Marine Layerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13515986023439927575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-32682457117814135812009-09-04T08:21:02.051-07:002009-09-04T08:21:02.051-07:00will MLB have an official response to this? or do...will MLB have an official response to this? or do they ignore it till they decide what to do about T-rights?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09479778667366453088noreply@blogger.com