tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post3703351773415654..comments2023-10-16T03:27:54.609-07:00Comments on new A's ballpark: How to expand a minor league ballparkMarine Layerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13515986023439927575noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-20982857395435745972009-04-14T17:06:00.000-07:002009-04-14T17:06:00.000-07:00Sacramento would work. Many valley baseball fans ...Sacramento would work. Many valley baseball fans travel to A's games all the time. Move them to San Jose, and the A's may indeed lose the Sacramento Valley and others north of the Bay Bridge to the Giants, who will all of a sudden be the closest MLB team. Come to think of it, just as the Giants claim Silicon Valley as their territory, I better they are slightly concerned that Fresno being closer to a San Jose team might affect ticket sales positively. <br /><br />Move the A's to Sacramento. San Jose can have the Rivercats. (Baycats?) I'm betting San Jose wouldn't support an AAA team like Sac has.<br /><br />Yes, I know you'll likely all be snobby about this Valley centric post. We're used to it. Console yourself with tofu, and let us ring our cowbells for the A's!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-87468160281436858432009-03-09T11:06:00.000-07:002009-03-09T11:06:00.000-07:00I will say it again--a remodel of the Colisieum wo...I will say it again--a remodel of the Colisieum would be an interim solution..and a rather expensive interim solution. It would never fit the category of a "classic" ballpark that will endure for a lifetime like AT&T, Wrigley, Fenway etc. Rather than an incremental solution (like they did for the Raiders when they returned) that will need to be re-done figure out the long term solution--whether it be in Oakland or San Jose--but don't waste money on trying to make the Colisieum live up to today's ballpark standards--Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-37558823662490874482009-03-09T10:58:00.000-07:002009-03-09T10:58:00.000-07:00First, Anon Guy (and whoever the rest of the "us" ...First, Anon Guy (and whoever the rest of the "us" you are talking about is)... the remodel that ML posted is not a "return to pre 1996 coliseum."<BR/><BR/>Second, I did speak only for myself.<BR/><BR/>Third, I agree the Coliseum complex is a fine location from a lot of perspectives (land cost, transit, etc.), but one that I think it lacks in is finding coin to pay for it. The financing model used in San Francisco would be a stretch.<BR/><BR/>Fourth, where are your great ideas? Better yet, where is your information that shows you even understand what it takes to build a ballpark? Or how about your evaluation of the market(s) that could possibly host an A's stadium and what factors are important ot evaluate a market?<BR/><BR/>Mine are here:<BR/><BR/>http://www.athleticsnation.com/2009/2/25/772219/greener-grass-looking-at-p<BR/><BR/>and here<BR/><BR/>http://www.athleticsnation.com/2009/2/26/773159/greener-grass-episode-2-atJeffreyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14086938574207856042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-85861486496004827072009-03-09T10:43:00.000-07:002009-03-09T10:43:00.000-07:00I will put up a post on this kind of Coliseum remo...I will put up a post on this kind of Coliseum remodel soon.Marine Layerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13515986023439927575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-82874384869663925622009-03-09T10:05:00.000-07:002009-03-09T10:05:00.000-07:00Dude...speak for yourself. There are some of us w...Dude...speak for yourself. There are some of us who do think that renovating the Coliseum makes the most sense and could be a good thing considering all the facts and what is going on right now with the economy and the A's. <BR/><BR/>If you got some other great ideas, then bring it. If not, then stop complaining because there are those who find interesting articles and would like to share with the everyone else. It looks to me like Anon posted the article(s) as an opinion only so what's the big deal??? If ML didn't want to post it because he found it "appaling," then I'm sure he wouldn't have.<BR/><BR/>And in case you haven't been following even though I'm sure Jefferey that you probably have been, but ML has also imputed his own version of what it would be like to renovate the Coliseum to a baseball only stadium. Which I must say looked great!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-65805990488629438212009-03-09T09:10:00.000-07:002009-03-09T09:10:00.000-07:00You know... I kind fo find is appaling that anyone...You know... I kind fo find is appaling that anyone would come to this blog, one with years of information and detailed analysis, and pastes in a link to an article where some jack ass at the San Francisco Chronicle just writes his opinion and does little to back it up with the slightest whiff of numbers or any details on the "plan" other than to say "think regionally."<BR/><BR/>Personally, I am a fan fo the A's staying in Oakland or moving to San Jose. Either is fine with me. <BR/><BR/>But just because some guy says "A dude in Novato emailed me that it would be cool to tear down Mt. Davis and return the coliseum to it's original state" doesn't make it true. It flies in the face of reality.<BR/><BR/>When the Coliseum was in it's original state, it was not frequently sold out. If you think I am a San Jose partisan liar then just look at this link http://oaklandfans.com/attendance.html and realize that this is from the holy enclave of "Oakland Only." From 1968-2001 the A's had 7 seasons of 2 million plus attendance. That's it... even in the glory days of Haas ownership, the A's were never a huge draw as compared to the rest of the league, never did they even lead the American League in attendance.<BR/><BR/>Also, it requires very little analysis to realize that the landscape of Major Legaue attendance has changed completely since the pre 1996 remodel. Ther eis now, about 10 miles away a state fo the art baseball stadium that draws 3 million people annually. I know, I know... most of those people who are at AT&T aren't real baseball fans. So what... neither were the people who created the swell in attendance in the late 80's when they came to Oakland to see the Bash Brothers. <BR/><BR/>Restoring the Coliseum to the pre 1996 form is not the long term answer. I am tired of hearing people spit it out like it is.Jeffreyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14086938574207856042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-86059193242858978472009-03-09T08:31:00.000-07:002009-03-09T08:31:00.000-07:00While it is an interesting concept to re-do the Co...While it is an interesting concept to re-do the Colisieum, assuming that you could get the Raiders to move elsewhere, it still has two fundamental challenges---one is location and second is increasing the value of the franchise. <BR/><BR/>From the location perspective it doesn't do alot to spur economic activity in Oakland because of its location. Fans go directly to the games, either by driving or transit, and than leave right after the games---in either case they are not going early to have dinner and drinks or staying late to enjoy the atmosphere of the area.<BR/><BR/>Second,from a franchise value perspective, I have a hard time believing that Wolff would privately finance the re-do of the Colisieum---maybe if the city/county paid for it than it would be an acceptable interim solution but if I am going to invest in a remodel I want to make sure that the ballpark will increase the value of my team (like AT&T, Fenway, Wrigley etc), and second that it will be a permanent solution...and not one where in 10-15 years this process will be going on again....just like it is for the Raiders.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-25521095979676305862009-03-08T22:57:00.000-07:002009-03-08T22:57:00.000-07:00Another interesting article from the sfgate...http...Another interesting article from the sfgate...<BR/><BR/>http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2009/03/07/INUR169T7S.DTL<BR/><BR/>Possible??? I think so if the Raiders and Niners can come up with a solid game plan!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-5203553442549224282009-03-08T22:51:00.000-07:002009-03-08T22:51:00.000-07:00"A regional solution to sports teams' woes"http://..."A regional solution to sports teams' woes"<BR/><BR/>http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/03/07/IN53168DEH.DTL<BR/><BR/>Why not have the Raiders and Niners build a shared football stadium in Santa Clara County? That way both teams could gain even more fans from the wealthy South Bay residents and at the same time, I would think most San Jose folks would like the idea of being the "glue" for the two franchises like the Warriors are for San Francisco and Oakland. <BR/><BR/>The A's could then renovate the Coliseum to re-create the once very nice baseball only stadium for less than half the price of the original Fremont plan. <BR/><BR/>Everyone would get a new stadium out of this win/win situation...<BR/><BR/>THE END!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-76200540145193622792009-03-08T18:23:00.000-07:002009-03-08T18:23:00.000-07:00anon 3:26,Your post/reply is soooooo 2006. "The O...anon 3:26,<BR/><BR/>Your post/reply is soooooo 2006. "The Orioles/Giants situation is completely different because" ya ya ya...heard the story a million times.<BR/><BR/>Let's remember one thing: the Giants territorial rights aren't absolute, nor are they etched in stone as the 11th Commandment. And as Mike H. alluded to perfectly, the Giants T-Rights were expanded in 1992 to accomodate their move to San Jose (pss...didn't happen), and they can be contracted to allow an A's to move to San Jose (psss...it could happen).<BR/><BR/>You obviously haven't been paying attention to anything being said by Wolff, Selig (via letter), San Jose officials over the past 3 months. Bottom line: T-Rights aren't absolute and can be dealt with.*<BR/><BR/>*see Giants proposed move to San Jose in 1992; territory expanded to accomodate move southward.Tony D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03392232221747908883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-27909686236876672162009-03-08T16:15:00.000-07:002009-03-08T16:15:00.000-07:00What baseball givith, baseball can taketh away.What baseball givith, baseball can taketh away.LoneStrangerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17035585001741910836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-39074474784834614662009-03-08T15:20:00.000-07:002009-03-08T15:20:00.000-07:00That's highly unlikely for some very specific reas...That's highly unlikely for some very specific reasons.<BR/><BR/>The Giants situation is different from Baltimore on several key issues. The Orioles' territorial hold on DC has always had little substance, so it was no surprise that when the Montreal Expos moved, the two teams were able to work out a revenue sharing deal. By contrast, baseball Commissioner Bud Selig has affirmed the Giants' absolute rights over San Jose.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-79409571742699629262009-03-07T19:45:00.000-08:002009-03-07T19:45:00.000-08:00Would the Giants even get compensation for loss of...Would the Giants even get compensation for loss of the territory? Did the A's get any compensation? If the A's did not get any, why should the Giants?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-38823416248796911032009-03-07T15:40:00.000-08:002009-03-07T15:40:00.000-08:00R.M.,Since everyone went way off topic, let me con...R.M.,<BR/>Since everyone went way off topic, let me continue.<BR/><BR/>Many who are against the A's moving to SJ say the same ole thing when it comes to the Giants:<BR/><BR/>1) "It will hurt the Giants bottom line"<BR/><BR/>2) "It will hurt the Giants revenue sooo much."<BR/><BR/>3) "South Bay/Silicon Valley to valuable for the Giants to loose."<BR/><BR/>All of these statements are stated without any sources indicated, facts presented, study's, etc. Perhaps R.M. you can do a post in the future to debunk all of this "it will hurt the Giants" nonsense.<BR/><BR/>My take: a possible move of the A's to SJ won't hurt the Giants financially and will in fact HELP via compensation deal.*<BR/><BR/>*see Orioles/Expos to D.C. deal.Tony D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03392232221747908883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-82494162051693505482009-03-07T08:28:00.000-08:002009-03-07T08:28:00.000-08:00CF SweeneyRF BuckLF Holliday1B GiambiDH Cust3B Cha...CF Sweeney<BR/>RF Buck<BR/>LF Holliday<BR/>1B Giambi<BR/>DH Cust<BR/>3B Chavez<BR/>C1 Suzuki<BR/>2B Ellis<BR/>SS CabreraAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-66983010839021038892009-03-07T00:18:00.000-08:002009-03-07T00:18:00.000-08:00I'm not going to stop anyone from talking about th...I'm not going to stop anyone from talking about the on-field stuff, but there are better places for it - see sidebar for links.<BR/><BR/>But since you asked:<BR/><BR/>Buck RF<BR/>Ellis 2B<BR/>Sweeney CF<BR/>Holliday LF<BR/>Giambi/Barton 1B<BR/>Cust/Giambi DH<BR/>Chavez/Nomar 3B<BR/>Suzuki C<BR/>Cabrera SSMarine Layerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13515986023439927575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-60610527453964484232009-03-06T23:30:00.000-08:002009-03-06T23:30:00.000-08:00OK, any thoughts or predictions on the starting li...OK, any thoughts or predictions on the starting lineup?? <BR/><BR/>1. R. Sweeney (CF)<BR/>2. O. Cabrera (SS) <BR/>3. M. Holliday (LF)<BR/>4. J. Cust (DH)<BR/>5. J. Giambi (1B)<BR/>6. J. E. Chavez (3B)<BR/>7. K. Suzuki (C)<BR/>8. M. Ellis (2B)<BR/>9. T. Buck (RF)Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10326078482340683491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-42235116483395707492009-03-06T23:12:00.000-08:002009-03-06T23:12:00.000-08:00Ok, can we please get back to the subject of the "...Ok, can we please get back to the subject of the "Oakland" A's. Is it just me or am I the only one on this blog who actually cares about how exciting the actual team will be this season??? Maybe we can turn our attention to the start of what should be a great season like LW is actually trying to do and talk about baseball.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-59344873774623024522009-03-06T22:51:00.000-08:002009-03-06T22:51:00.000-08:00Amen to that Anon 10:20!! That and the fact that b...Amen to that Anon 10:20!! That and the fact that by then Lew Wolff will most likely be pushing 90 years old and will probably want to sell the team to someone else.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-85945756667993463472009-03-06T22:20:00.000-08:002009-03-06T22:20:00.000-08:00This is obviously a San Jose partisan dominated bl...This is obviously a San Jose partisan dominated blog site. I said it before and I'll say it again...they've been playing in Oakland for 40 years and they'll continue to play in Oakland for many more years to come. I also said that Fremont was never going to work. Until they ever broke ground, I knew it was never going to happen. I also said that MLB would not remove the T-Rights for the Giants because San Jose was too valuable to give up. <BR/><BR/>It's funny how you guys all still sound so hopeful, "We'll get you sooner or later Oakland...you'll see!!" What else is so funny is that the more you San Jose folks talk about how bad you guys would love to "lure" the A's into the MOST GREEDIEST CITY IN THE COUNTRY (Forbes Magazine ranks San Jose #1), the more likely SF won't want to ever give up those rights without a struggle, which would lead to more delays and yada yada yada...in which during that time the A's will have eventually built the new stadium in Oakland, at home where they belong. The EndAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-24880402010507521502009-03-06T21:47:00.000-08:002009-03-06T21:47:00.000-08:00Anon 4:11Your twisted, warped logic is the same ki...Anon 4:11<BR/><BR/>Your twisted, warped logic is the same kind of thinking that praises felons like Orlando Cepeda and soon to be felons like Barry Bonds.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-86109251603080800562009-03-06T21:45:00.000-08:002009-03-06T21:45:00.000-08:00Anon 4:11Inanity at its best. By your logic San J...Anon 4:11<BR/><BR/>Inanity at its best. By your logic San Jose shouldn't have a Major League Team because if that happens the San Jose Giants<BR/>will have to move to Salinas and they can't possibly support a Single A team and that wouldn't be fair would it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-85414304791742041142009-03-06T18:31:00.000-08:002009-03-06T18:31:00.000-08:00Yes, you said it before and we all laughed at the ...Yes, you said it before and we all laughed at the total illogic of your post. Now we're doing it again. <BR/><BR/>Sharks are irrelevant because no one outside SJ cares (a total and complete fallacy, but let's play along). That somehow means the A's will not be successful. Because SJ has purportedly shown it can support a team without any help from the rest of the area? OK...<BR/><BR/>In addition to this, somehow in your "thinking", SJ is also bad for baseball because it will take so much money from the Giants. But, I thought an SJ team can't be successful? Which is it? (Don't try to answer; it's a trick question.)<BR/><BR/>I have an idea. Why don't you come back when you can type a coherent thought about the A's stadium situation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-54094225820174285202009-03-06T18:00:00.000-08:002009-03-06T18:00:00.000-08:00In support of Mike's point it is estimated tha...In support of Mike's point it is estimated that nearly 70% of revenues for a MLB team come from corporate sponsorship, naming rights, sales of luxury suites, and media. MLB would be foolish to turn their backs on one of the most lucrative sports markets in the country. <BR/><BR/>This by itself makes the San Jose metropolitan area much more attractive. . . but bottom line--their will be more than enough San Jose A's fans to fill a stadium of 32,000-34,000. I for one go to a handful of A's games...but too far to drive to buy season tix--stadium in San Jose---I'll buy 4 season tickets--even if I have to pay charter seat license fees to help support getting it built--<BR/><BR/>Will it hurt the Giants?---I doubt it...moving further away from AT&T should more than balance any losses and as ML said--the Giants have done little to nothing to promote their team to the south bayAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-20484272150416553562009-03-06T16:57:00.000-08:002009-03-06T16:57:00.000-08:00Anon 4:11I'm not sure what you mean by "we're talk...Anon 4:11<BR/><BR/>I'm not sure what you mean by "we're talking about baseball." If hockey doesn't mean as much as baseball <I>[No one in the Bay Area cares about the Sharks except for the "South Bay"]</I>, then wouldn't it be desirable to have a baseball park in the neighborhood to draw people from outside of SJ? If that's your argument, then yes, the comaprison would be mostly irrelevant because the park would dump more money into the local economy than the Pavilion.<BR/><BR/>I don't really think a move to SJ would negatively affect MLB or the Giants. I don't think fans switch allegiance at the drop of a hat with a local move such as this. Now, new fans from SJ might pick the A's as opposed to the Giants, however, you would also have fans in the East Bay who can more easily drive over the bridge or take BART to the Giants. I'd think it would be close to a wash. Those stuck near the middle will probably also go toward whoever was more successful at the time. <BR/><BR/>No, I don't think the matter really revolves around losing or gaining fans. The fans will come if you give them a good product (successful on-field play, a fun stadium, easy access, nearby activities, etc). MLB knows that the real money is going to come from the companies around the area who buy the boxes and provide sponsorship. The San Jose area has more of that than any other location in the Bay Area. The economy won't stay down forever, and once it rebounds MLB would love to be in position to take advantage of it.LoneStrangerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17035585001741910836noreply@blogger.com