tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post1972596937506625070..comments2023-10-16T03:27:54.609-07:00Comments on new A's ballpark: Niners and Raiders sittin' in a treeMarine Layerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13515986023439927575noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-15998921620257541922007-02-06T22:14:00.000-08:002007-02-06T22:14:00.000-08:00Is there any chance that a Raiders move to a joint...Is there any chance that a Raiders move to a joint stadium in Santa Clara would reopen the Coliseum site for the A's? That is, if the Pacific Commons site becomes untenable.<br /><br />Or is the timing/probability too far off?Daniel Searshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17114122784062407567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-85858539615747737972007-01-31T17:56:00.000-08:002007-01-31T17:56:00.000-08:00The Jets had their West Side stadium efforts destr...<b><i>The Jets had their West Side stadium efforts destroyed by the MSG/Cablevision folks and scurried over the river. Neither the 49ers nor Raiders are in a desperate position yet.</b></i><br /><br />And yet the Jets are set to win big with the joint Giants/Jets proposed stadium. First of all, the name "Giants Stadium" is about to go off the marquee. If you don't think that has any psychological effect on the fans in the New York/New Jersey area then you don't know fans. For years, Giants fans took great pleasure at taunting their neighbors as being just "renters" in "their" stadium (Yes, the state of New Jersey, through the Meadowlands Authority, own the stadium).<br /><br />Second, it now appears that the Giants and Jets need each other. The price tag, at last report, has risen to $1.4 billion. I doubt any club, even the richest ones, could afford such a cost on their own. They're going to lease the land under which the stadium is to be built for 99 years. It makes sense that they'd want to build the "gold standard" of stadia. This is a serious commitment, any way you look at it.<br /><br />I see similar circumstances happening with the Niners/Raiders. Could the Raiders move to L.A. again? Probably. Would they get anywhere near the deal they got to move back to the Coliseum? Unlikely! L.A. won't even pony up for a potential expansion team, let alone an existing one. And that position looks to be hardcore. Couple that with the fact that L.A. benefits from having no territorial restrictions on what games can be televised there and they're not in an urgent mood to bring a team back in.<br /><br />Do keep in mind that, just like the "New York" teams in New Jersey, it would be awkward to have the "San Francisco" Niners and "Oakland" Raiders not playing in their respective cities. Perhaps it would be better to just drop the city names all together and skip the charade if it comes to pass.<br /><br />Then again, owning an NFL franchise and holding it is not a bad business arrangement. Just look at the Bidwills.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-62439561693338239002007-01-31T12:01:00.000-08:002007-01-31T12:01:00.000-08:00Nothing's a lock until dirt's moved and you hear t...Nothing's a lock until dirt's moved and you hear the sound of piledrivers.<br /><br />The 31% share of the Raiders has no power or control attached to it. That's why no one's shown any real interest. No one these days think they won't get screwed or sued by Al. It's up to him to change that perception. If he were to sell controlling interest then suitors would definitely be interested, but AFAIK he's keeping it in the family (and I can't blame him for that).<br /><br />A shared stadium deal has to be borne of desperation. The Jets had their West Side stadium efforts destroyed by the MSG/Cablevision folks and scurried over the river. Neither the 49ers nor Raiders are in a desperate position yet. The next few years promise to be interesting times for both teams.Marine Layerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13515986023439927575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-61107088082436055062007-01-31T01:10:00.000-08:002007-01-31T01:10:00.000-08:00"Just as with the A's situation, I'm not terribly ..."Just as with the A's situation, I'm not terribly particular about the EVENTUAL location of a stadium." You mean to tell me Pacific Commons/Fremont isn't a lock for Cisco Field?? Anyhow, I agree that a joint stadium for the Raiders/Niners makes too much sense in terms of dollars. I also agree that the current coliseum site would make an excellent location for such a stadium. However, stadium site isn't what's being discussed in the media (it's all about Santa Clara). Second, it's not a matter of being closer to a supposed "fan market;" being closer to the corporate market of Silicon Valley is what really matters. As a Raiders fan living in San Jose, I'm all for a joint Santa Clara Stadium. Food for thought; a co-worker with roots in Jersey is a die-hard Giants fan who abhors the Jets. Yet both the football G-Men and Jets have had a joint stadium marriage (with new digs on the horizon) for some time now. My point? It can work in terms of fan bases that hate each other!! Marinelayer, I read earlier this year that Eddie DeBartolo and/or Steve Young/Brent Jones were interested in buying a 30% stake in the Raiders; would such a development have any relevance to this current joint stadium rumor? Just curious on your thoughts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-82341306656098133662007-01-30T14:07:00.000-08:002007-01-30T14:07:00.000-08:00The most logical place for this, in my mind, is th...The most logical place for this, in my mind, is the Oakland Coliseum. Blow up the baseball side and turn the place into York Peak, Mt. Davis and The Valley of Great Football Past.Jeffreyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14086938574207856042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-33497493908410846392007-01-30T11:36:00.000-08:002007-01-30T11:36:00.000-08:00Partisan politics aside, this could be an opportun...Partisan politics aside, this could be an opportunity for the city of Oakland to steal some its more renknowned neighbors thunder. It is entirely concievable that the current Coli site could be a suitable location to build a joint stadium for both the Raiders and Niners. It would require adroit political maunevering and a unified political approach....which pretty much kills the idea in Oakland.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-33244436317476903162007-01-30T06:46:00.000-08:002007-01-30T06:46:00.000-08:00good idea, but should be done in Oakland. no huge ...good idea, but should be done in Oakland. no huge garage necessary and both fan markets closer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-60112432925380048692007-01-30T00:26:00.000-08:002007-01-30T00:26:00.000-08:00As far as Im concerned, the Raiders have their sta...As far as Im concerned, the Raiders have their stadium. Its not a bad idea but as an A's fan, the Raiders received their stadium when they moved back to Oakland. Oakland put up way too much money and it costs the A's their future in Oakland when it was a the A's who stayed loyal, not Davis. As far as a 49er fan, I just want it to get it done in over with, Eddie had the ball rolling and we're still at square one, just get it done York.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com