tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post115702101341436186..comments2023-10-16T03:27:54.609-07:00Comments on new A's ballpark: San Jose: Wolff throws in the towelMarine Layerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13515986023439927575noreply@blogger.comBlogger49125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-1157521286271377642006-09-05T22:41:00.000-07:002006-09-05T22:41:00.000-07:00Come on, people. This isn't that difficult. San Jo...Come on, people. This isn't that difficult. San Jose leaders were given a script - which they followed. They were told to "keep doing what they were doing" though they didn't receive any promises. That's it. Y'all can guess who wrote the script.<BR/><BR/>The speech at Adobe was effectively a change in the script.<BR/><BR/>Again, if I have to belabor this point I will. <B>No ones wins favors from MLB by picking fights with them</B>. Getting a franchise is not some inalienable right. It's in essence a favor.Marine Layerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13515986023439927575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-1157485024725081312006-09-05T12:37:00.000-07:002006-09-05T12:37:00.000-07:00Thanks Bartleby66,Just to add Rob, if you go over ...Thanks Bartleby66,<BR/>Just to add Rob, if you go over to the now-silent BBSJ website, there was a drive to pressure MLB to free San Jose from the territorial rights; "Declaration of Independence" forms for supporters to fill out and send to the Comissioners office (I and many others filled them out). The SJ City council also made a unanimous motion to request MLB to free SJ from the Giants TRights. There are documents on the BBSJ website providing excellent reasons why MLB should consider SJ for relocation. SJ and BBSJ leaders met with Bud Selig prior to his Commonwealth speech last year to present such documentation. As we all know by now, all the effort was pretty much in vain. Minus a lawsuit that R.M. states would take a lot of cash, what more Rob could SJ/BBSJ do?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-1157483554813814262006-09-05T12:12:00.000-07:002006-09-05T12:12:00.000-07:00A Federal judge could not interfere in this situat...A Federal judge could not interfere in this situation. While he or she might feel sympathetic to a major municipality with development aspirations, the basis for bringing claims of this type is the antitrust laws. MLB, alone among professional sports, is exempt from the antitrust laws. End of story.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-1157483087552390432006-09-05T12:04:00.000-07:002006-09-05T12:04:00.000-07:00Why didn't SJ leaders appeal directly to MLB? The...Why didn't SJ leaders appeal directly to MLB? The answer is, they were in the process of doing so. This appeal was going to take the form of offering up a viable, city-owned downtown site ready for the A's to start building on. Until this happens, there really isn't anything for MLB to consider.<BR/><BR/>A downtown SJ site would clearly be best for the A's and for MLB overall, and MLB owners know this. It would also hurt the Giants by eroding their corporate base. If push came to shove, whose interests would MLB owners favor, their own or the Giants? The question answers itself. <BR/><BR/>However, there's no reason for MLB to go stirring the pot and ticking off the Giants based on speculative proposals. Stadium deals are difficult to put together in California, and SJ has tried (and failed) to put one together in the past. <BR/><BR/>If SJ somehow gets it together and creates a viable package before the train has left the station on the Fremont site, I fully expect MLB to twist Macgowan's arm to accept some form of compensation in exchange for the so-called TR (or risk getting nothing). Unfortunately, SJ's failure to get this issue on the ballot this year reduces the chance of this happening. <BR/><BR/>From Wolff's perspective, there's no downside to moving forward with Fremont. Maybe it lights a fire under SJ and causes something to happen there. Maybe the reality of a Silicon Valley-based ballpark will cause the Giants to reconsider and negotiate a settlement for SJ. If not, Fremont is a viable fallback position.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-1157478294297254122006-09-05T10:44:00.000-07:002006-09-05T10:44:00.000-07:00So I've been a huge A's fan my whole life and I ha...So I've been a huge A's fan my whole life and I have a hard time imagining myself not loving the team no matter if they end up in Fremont or San Jose. But the real problem I see is that for all of us that live in the actual city of Oakland or anywhere on the 24 (Orinda, Laffayette, Walnut Creek....) then a move to even South Fremont as proposed would mean the GIANTS become the closest team to watch a game at, and odds are the seats will be cheaper there because SF will be the older ballpark. Now I hate the Giants and you will never see me over there, but how can the A's ownership keep the "Oakland" name if they are that far away from the city? And what would stop the casual fans in the East Bay from going over to SF? I'm sure a large number of casual Giants fans in the South Bay will switch to the A's but this move is really shutting out the "Oakland" fans. Personally, I look at the attendence success that the Warriors and Sharks draw year after year and it makes me think this entire "Bay Area" market is really a one team market no matter what the sport. But what do I know? =)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-1157475592185908252006-09-05T09:59:00.000-07:002006-09-05T09:59:00.000-07:00Tony, you didn't answer my question.If San Jose is...Tony, you didn't answer my question.<BR/><BR/>If San Jose is so big, so lucrative, so rich, so cutting edge, so "with it" in every way shape and form......<BR/><BR/>....then why didn't SJ civic and business leaders just appeal to MLB themselves?<BR/><BR/>(crickets chirping)<BR/><BR/>I'm waiting, Tony......Georobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16213186069766951534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-1157406043158309882006-09-04T14:40:00.000-07:002006-09-04T14:40:00.000-07:00ML - I agree that China Basin is nearly a perfect ...ML - I agree that China Basin is nearly a perfect location. I go to a game there every summer and I am amazed how much it changes every year.<BR/><BR/>What I meant was the second stadium. Obviously DSJ is a great spot in terms of wealth and corporate base. I was thinking more in the context of population growth trends and the corridor from Oakland to Sacramento. You're looking at at least four million people who have to travel a loong way to see a game if their only choices are China Basin and DSJ.<BR/><BR/>This is not a deep conviction or strong argument on my part, I just wanted to clarify my point, lest you think I'm even more of an idiot. ;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-1157392234785586252006-09-04T10:50:00.000-07:002006-09-04T10:50:00.000-07:00Call me insane, in denial..perhaps I've taken a fe...Call me insane, in denial..perhaps I've taken a few to many online jabs from Rob. BUT I DON'T THINK SAN JOSE IS DEAD QUITE YET! Why do I say this, after Lew Wolff put my city's Big League dreams in front of a firing squad? Hear me out:<BR/>1) It was only 4-5 months ago the the Merc's Mark Purdy stated "people (SJ Baseball supporters) want things to happen in five minutes. They won't, this could take YEARS." Why a definite "decision" regarding San Jose only a few months later?<BR/>2) An recent quote by Ray Ratto ("What's missing at the Coliseum isn't covered by tarp," SFC 8/13). "The knowledge that San Jose is YEARS (and a scandal in the mayors office) away from having somthing ready for Fisher and Wolff keeps down any impending sense of local dread." Again, why "kill" San Jose's aspirations so quickly? (Notice the key word in the above is YEARS, not MONTHS.)<BR/><BR/>Was Lew Wolff really going to announce a deal for San Jose with Ron Gonzales still in office? I think not. How about those land acquisitions at Diridon South? Perhaps the land owners were asking for to much cash, knowing a "ballpark" was going in at their site (now the City of SJ can say they simply want their land for housing). The DiNapoli's, co-owners with Wolff and SJ's most powerful family...are they really going to allow the dream to die so quickly? Let my just end my insane outburst with this...I won't give up on MLB in Downtown SJ until dirt is finally turned over at Pac Commons. Alright Rob, let me have it...<BR/>Happy Labor Day all!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-1157347600467468502006-09-03T22:26:00.000-07:002006-09-03T22:26:00.000-07:00Rob, My two cents on the points you raised have to...Rob, <BR/><BR/>My two cents on the points you raised have to do with Selig and his style of managment. I recommend reading,"Juicing the Game" for insights into Selig's management style. It's very enlightening. The point is that Selig entered into the commisioner's job in a very turbulent period. The owners were at each others throats as well as those of the players union. There was very little consensus. Selig has since smoothed over relations amongst the ownership group and is very careful in selecting people who will be allowed into the group. He wants no more factions which compromise relationships within the group. This is why he spends so much time building consensus among the owners before a vote is ever taken. He wants the vote to be unanimous. He will bend over backward to avoid strife within the owner ranks. Mcgowan has vowed to keep his rights, and the fight that would ensue if he moved to take them are just not worth the effort. Especially if he were viewed as favoring his friend and newly minted owner, Lew Wolfe. That sort of dissention could reek havoc and destroy the unified front he has spent years building. <BR/><BR/>As for territorial rights, the city of SJ should have taken MLB to task themselves. I have said before and I will say it again, it's not likely a Federal judge would allow MLB to disenfranchise a municipality the size of SJ or allow them to interfere in their development aspirations. SJ is the ONLY city in the US forbidden by MLB to ever have a franchise. That type of discrimination would be knocked flat in short order. Especially when the entity engaging in such behavior has an anti-trust exemption. But never mind all that, because the other owners would have collectively come to the conclusion that it was in their best interests to throw Mcgowan under the bus in order to prevent the exemption from being challenged in Federal court. And SJ would have certainly challenged it. Who knows, maybe Selig was counting on SJ to take the next step....and they never did. One thing is for sure....we will never know.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-1157342784052845502006-09-03T21:06:00.000-07:002006-09-03T21:06:00.000-07:00Moving to Fremont may negatively impact the Giants...Moving to Fremont may negatively impact the Giants, so will winning a World Series in '06.<BR/><BR/>The difference here is Lew Wolff doesn't need anyone's permission to do either of those things. HE DOES, however need it with a move to San Jose.<BR/><BR/>Again, if San Jose is that great, untapped, lucrative market Tony speaks of; then its civic and business leaders should have been able to make the case that a baseball team downtown would have been been good for the A's, good for MLB, and NOT HURT THE GIANTS.<BR/><BR/>So why didn't they do it Tony? Instead of asking us, why don't you ask THEM!Georobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16213186069766951534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-1157319632524699972006-09-03T14:40:00.000-07:002006-09-03T14:40:00.000-07:00Cactus and Anthony,It sounds like you both are mak...Cactus and Anthony,<BR/><BR/>It sounds like you both are making two huge assumptions here. First, that Lew even (seriously) approached the Giants with respect to the territorial issue and, second, that Lew seriously entertained San Jose proper as being his location of choice. Both assumptions, I believe, are incorrect.<BR/><BR/>I believe Lew may have "felt out" the giants with respect to the bringing the A's into San Jose. But that doesn't mean that he didn't see San Jose from the beginning as having insurmountable issues blocking a ballpark. <BR/><BR/>Let's be clear, a publicly-subsidized San Jose park ain't happening! We know that already.<BR/><BR/>So how could Lew privately fund the stadium? The answer is simple, a ballpark village with shops, housing, a hotel and possibly office buildings. Where in San Jose are you going to come up with an spare hundred acres, and at the same time, avoid the issues that Oakland has.<BR/><BR/>Honestly, I don't think he ever seriously saw the A's in Santa Clara County. What probably happened on his travels between San Jose and Oakland is that he saw large swaths of land in Southern Fremont and began envisioning the village there. I think Fremont has been Plan A for well over a year! And for good reason. Fremont affords Lew everything he wants. It's the only city within silicon valley but outside the territorial-affected border, it has sufficient land, and it has city leaders who want to work with him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-1157313888509548862006-09-03T13:04:00.000-07:002006-09-03T13:04:00.000-07:00"Because the truth of the matter is that it (an A'..."Because the truth of the matter is that it (an A's move to DSJ) would negatively impact the Giants..."<BR/><BR/>SO WILL A MOVE TO FREMONT ROB!! So now were back to the same argument posed by CL...if you're going to be hurt anyway, why not just take the money. Besides, most people on this site agree that it's not really the loss of "single game" fans that the G's worry about. It's the corporate support/sponsors in San Jose/Silicon Valley that's their main concern.<BR/><BR/>Just to let you know Rob, living in working in the South Bay, I have a lot of family members and co-workers who are EXCITED about the A's moving closer to San Jose. Many have even vowed to buy season tickets to a Fremont ballpark. I imagine you can multiply this sentiment many times over down here. Sadly, this would have been the same if the A's had moved to DSJ proper.<BR/><BR/>Rob, if you were a native/citizen of San Jose and wanted MLB in your city, you'de be "crying" to. Peace!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-1157308853122843182006-09-03T11:40:00.000-07:002006-09-03T11:40:00.000-07:00Well ML, this all goes back to the anti-trust exem...Well ML, this all goes back to the anti-trust exemption and believe you me, someday someone like a George Soros who wants to make a point and has cash to blow will challenge the system and(depending on who's commissioner) the "whole house of cards" could fall.<BR/><BR/>In my opinion, all San Jose leaders had to do to deal with territorial rights was to go to the MLB owners and make the case that putting the A's in San Jose would not have negatively impacted the Giants. They could have brought out all the demographic and economic data along with the "tenthlargestcityintheus" bravado. <BR/><BR/>But it wasn't that simple. Because the truth is that it WOULD negatively impact the Giants, at least initially. And even though the Giants would eventually pick up fans in the northern East Bay to make up for it, the owners didn't want to take that chance. Especially with many in MLB still believing that it was a mistake to bring the A's here to begin with in '68.<BR/><BR/>And Tony, if you're going to cry about Peter Magowan being an A-hole, you'd better also extend that adjective to the late "Saint" Walter A Haas. For he voted in favor of those boundaries back in 1990, figuring that having the GIANTS in San Jose would make life much easier in Oakland.Georobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16213186069766951534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-1157303787070940422006-09-03T10:16:00.000-07:002006-09-03T10:16:00.000-07:00China Basin has exploded over the past decade, and...China Basin has exploded over the past decade, and the Mission Bay development just to the south will fill in one of the last stretches of major redevelopment in San Francisco. As a location, it's damned near perfect. <BR/><BR/>Downtown San Jose is poised to explode in a similar manner as long as the economy does its part. There are plans for several high-cost/rent residential towers in the area, and the prospects are quite good there. It makes perfect sense that Lew would look there as the demographics there are trending up. <BR/><BR/>Maybe there is something to a contractual link in the private bonds that were raised and territorial rights. We'll probably never know. As much as many of us would love for MLB to drop the arcane terrotorial rules and come into this millenium, we're talking about the stodgiest, least progressive, insular group of owners in pro sports. If I had a billion dollars I'd consider opening up a lawsuit against MLB just out of principle. But what's to stop them from having more subtle collusive behavior - such as ensuring that "maverick" potential owners never have a chance to change the system by not allowing them to join the lodge?Marine Layerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13515986023439927575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-1157302458318967002006-09-03T09:54:00.000-07:002006-09-03T09:54:00.000-07:00Anthony - every rule has exceptions, but all else ...Anthony - every rule has exceptions, but all else being equal, I think we can agree that MLB prefers that teams put their stadiums downtown. And I can assure you, if the Brewers and Rangers (and Royals and Phillies and White Sox and D-Rays) could do it over again, they would build it downtown if they could.<BR/><BR/>ML - I think that the factors you mentioned come into play regardless of the funding mechanism, and I think that in either case (public v private financing), location is #1. And, let's not fool ourselves into thinking it's one extreme or another. Even AT&T Park had a public subsidy, albeit smaller than most. <BR/><BR/>And it still doesn't answer the question of why Magowan/MLB wouldn't cave on the territorial issue? I think that the whole "monetizing territorial rights" issue is the easy answer (just as you claim that the private financing for territory swap is the simple answer for Magowan), but not the complete one. Maybe (and I'm just guessing here) someone is looking at population trends and figuring that downtown SJ and China Basin are not the two best population centers for MLB in the Bay Area. Or maybe they sincerely believe that Fremont is the best spot. Heck, maybe they don't want to commit a second franchise to a 25-30 year lease in the Bay Area (an area which has yet to fill MLB coffers with publicly funded stadiums) at this time. Who knows. <BR/><BR/>Sorry if I'm coming across as a stick in the mud. I think that if there is anyone in MLB who can pull this deal off in Fremont, it's Lew Wolff. And I REALLY hope that the Fremont venture, if it is carried out, is a wildly successful one, as it will give new hope to cities and teams that are looking for stadium funding solutions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-1157273942391714062006-09-03T01:59:00.000-07:002006-09-03T01:59:00.000-07:00Glad Lew finally killed San Jose.Fremont will be n...Glad Lew finally killed San Jose.<BR/><BR/>Fremont will be next...............Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-1157244252478286332006-09-02T17:44:00.000-07:002006-09-02T17:44:00.000-07:00TCL - For a publicly-financed ballpark, location i...TCL - For a publicly-financed ballpark, location is the biggest factor. For a privately-financed exception like this one, location is only one of many factors. What are we talking about?<BR/><BR/>1. Ability to finance the deal.<BR/>2. Political ease to get project done.<BR/>3. Location relative to existing fanbase.<BR/>4. Existing or planned infrastructure (freeways, public transit, parking).<BR/>5. Potential ancillary opportunities.<BR/>6. Location relative to new/emerging fanbase.<BR/><BR/>Each site will weigh differently based on the above (and other) factors. As a result, every site is a compromise of sorts.Marine Layerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13515986023439927575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-1157238854797626512006-09-02T16:14:00.000-07:002006-09-02T16:14:00.000-07:00CL,Miller Park ISN'T IN DOWNTOWN MILWAUKEE. The B...CL,<BR/>Miller Park ISN'T IN DOWNTOWN MILWAUKEE. The Ballpark in Arlington (did the name change?) ISN'T IN DOWNTOWN DALLAS. Angels Stadium (albeit now new but recently refurbished) ISN'T anywhere near something resembling a downtown. While MLB (and perhaps even Lew Wolff himself) would prefer downtown venues, it's not etched in stone that it's a must. However, your $64 question is a good one that may never be answered. An A's balpark in DSJ would have made tons of Cash for Wolff, MLB and (with a settlement on the territory) Magowan/The Giants. Why didn't it happen? We may never know. See you at Fremont!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-1157235259950399802006-09-02T15:14:00.000-07:002006-09-02T15:14:00.000-07:00The news about Wolff throwing in the towel in SJ c...The news about Wolff throwing in the towel in SJ comes as no surprise to me. I always thought that it would take "stupid money" (i.e, pay off the AT&T Park bonds and then some) to get a toehold into SJ.<BR/><BR/>ML - I know that part of your theory as to why Magowan might be willing to part with SJ was the existence, or perhaps the threat of the existence of the Fremont site. In other words, if you're going to lose the South Bay anyway, why not get something for it? But that strategy did not work for Wolff, and to me the $64 question is, why not?<BR/><BR/>Perhaps the answer lies in what is going on with the Marlins right now. MLB is basically doing an end-around on the team by trying to make a stadium happen in downtown Miami rather than settle for suburban, car-centric Hialeah. I know the analogy is not perfect as there are no territorial issues but the fact remains that there is still very little momentum for the ballpark village concept.<BR/><BR/>MLB wants their new stadiums, and they want them downtown. Maybe Magowan knew this all along as the A's situation has unfolded.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-1157149501631348852006-09-01T15:25:00.000-07:002006-09-01T15:25:00.000-07:00Murf,Thanks for the low down on Diridon/Arena. Pe...Murf,<BR/>Thanks for the low down on Diridon/Arena. Perhaps in a few years Lew Wolff could provide San Jose with a "Time Square West" at D/A (similar to what he proposed down in LA). As much as I would have loved to see the A's in DSJ, I guess there are other ways to stimulate development Downtown. However, PLEASE MR. WOLFF! NO SOCCER!! Don't like third-tier sports and don't want it!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-1157148069160620652006-09-01T15:01:00.000-07:002006-09-01T15:01:00.000-07:00Rob, I don't think I said anything about current S...Rob, <BR/>I don't think I said anything about current South Bay Giants fans switching over to A's fans (pending a move to Silicon Valley/anger over the TRights). I do feel that casual fans and suite holders from Silicon Valley may abandon AT&T Park a million miles to the north in favor of a team/ballpark in their own backyard. Like Bartleby66 mentioned earlier, the "NASDAQ" abandoning the Giants for a Silicon Valley team is what will really hurt Magowan. Future fans from the South Bay (like my 4 week old daughter) might also be more likely to be A's fans vs. Giants, with the increased A's marketing/exposure to the region (especially if they're SJ A's).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-1157147915326032202006-09-01T14:58:00.000-07:002006-09-01T14:58:00.000-07:00Tony, the area has long been slated for redevelopm...Tony, the area has long been slated for redevelopment as high-density housing or mixed use housing/retail. It would take a re-zoning to build something like a cineplex, or ballpark for that matter, but I don't think a movie theater has quite the pull that a MLB park would have.<BR/><BR/>It could look something like Santa Row, if neighbors don't kill it through the EIR and mitigation calls for traffic, etc. <BR/><BR/>Whatever eventually goes in, though, don't expect it to be fast-tracked at this point. The high-rise condo towers going up at Pellier Heights, Central Place, 360residences, etc will soon flood the downtown market with new homes. However, once those homes become occupied, and if the downtown housing market booms as it did in San Diego a few years ago, a new downtown "high-end" shopping complex for all those new urban dwellers will look awfully juicy to developers. Lew may still have a hand in the site after all, but it's still a few years off.<BR/><BR/>One thing I certainly don't see happening at the site is a Soccer Specific Stadium. It'd be too messy for the vocal but small fan base to push through, methinks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-1157143209484205592006-09-01T13:40:00.000-07:002006-09-01T13:40:00.000-07:00Tony, I don't get it.You say that South Bay Giants...Tony, I don't get it.<BR/><BR/>You say that South Bay Giants fans will switch to the A's because the Giants wouldn't let the A's move to San Jose.<BR/><BR/>But if the A's HAD been allowed to move to SJ, those fans probably would have switched anyway.<BR/><BR/>If you've talked to a lot of Giants fans, you know that there is either a great deal of apathy or dislike when it comes to the A's. A lot of it is simply a National League/American League thing, just like political differences between the "blue" and "red" states.<BR/><BR/>It's going to take a lot more than just anger over territorial rights to get Giants fans to switch over.Georobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16213186069766951534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-1157141024170610542006-09-01T13:03:00.000-07:002006-09-01T13:03:00.000-07:00Thanks ML for the timely info...Thanks ML for the timely info...jonclaude4https://www.blogger.com/profile/04331733144928729125noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-1157140968540465692006-09-01T13:02:00.000-07:002006-09-01T13:02:00.000-07:00It's good to see so many blogging the truth about ...It's good to see so many blogging the truth about the Giants T Rights, and how a move to Fremont will hurt A$$-Hole Peter just as much as a move to DSJ. Some food for thought and a question:<BR/>1) An A's ballpark at Fremont/Pac Commons should at least have a capacity of 40,000; to take in consideration the existing fanbase and many converts from San Jose/SCCo. The current "model" of 35,000 makes sense for the coliseum location, but not Fremont.<BR/>2) Rhamesis, Murf, or anyone...what happens with Diridon/Arena SJ now? The renderings of the "ballpark village" (see 1st Act) look awesome. Perhaps the area can now be coined a future "Arena Village," with proceeds from development going into enhancing/upgrading HP Pavilion. A theater complex to replace the aged Century Winchester would be nice to.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com