tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post1156439544666891287..comments2023-10-16T03:27:54.609-07:00Comments on new A's ballpark: Oracle Arena lags behind HP PavilionMarine Layerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13515986023439927575noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-12126126781519347152008-12-27T01:10:00.000-08:002008-12-27T01:10:00.000-08:00Oracle is still THE place to see Disney on Ice, Ha...Oracle is still THE place to see Disney on Ice, Hannah Montana concerts, or the circus, lol. <BR/><BR/>Whatever happened to the Cow Palace? When I was a little kid (~20 yrs ago), I remember there used to be a ton of events there. Didn't HP Pavilion just replace the Cow Palace on the tour stop for event promoters?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-13486919076812401062008-12-26T12:14:00.000-08:002008-12-26T12:14:00.000-08:00Multiple reasons:1. San Jose's seating is much bet...Multiple reasons:<BR/><BR/>1. San Jose's seating is much better. With the two levels of suites that Oakland has, that upper deck is much higher and further away from the floor.<BR/><BR/>2. People from many communities are afraid of going to Oakland. Look at all the new stuff that's gone up in the last few years in Emeryville, a city which may as well be part of North Oakland, when you drive around the older residential parts. But the suburbanites will apparently go to that, because it's not Oakland.<BR/><BR/>3. Although this affects the Oakland failures and not the SJ successes, part of it is that the concert industry is not what it was in the 70's or 80's. In those years there were many acts that could headline arenas and stadiums. Now, since acts have figured out that you can make more money charging higher ticket prices in smaller venues, and there is just less new music out there, the number of arena headliners has dropped significantly, while the number of stadium headliners has been reduced to just a handful. Plus, in those days it was the Oakland Arena or the Cow Palace. Now you have the HP Pavilion, Shoreline, and an expanded Concord Pavilion, all fighting for acts.<BR/><BR/>4. The union rates and ticket taxes do hurt. If you're an act that can make an extra hundred grand somewhere else, wouldn't you? Seems like a reduction in the ticket tax, at least in relation to non-Warriors events, could do wonders in attracting more events.<BR/><BR/>The contractual prohibition with the A's and Raiders is pure crap though. First I went to a Raiders game during an afternoon and then a concert at the Arena that night a couple years ago, so unless that's changed, it's probably only that events can't be scheduled at the same time rather than on the same day. Moreover, you have 16 days during which you can't schedule stuff but you have 70 less events? What about the other 349 days out of the year?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-32011844707467602162008-12-18T08:58:00.000-08:002008-12-18T08:58:00.000-08:00So, Ken Rosenthal says free agents don't want to c...So, Ken Rosenthal says free agents don't want to come to Oakland because of substandard work conditions. Hmmmm....Jeffreyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14086938574207856042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-68103542352112114132008-12-17T20:20:00.000-08:002008-12-17T20:20:00.000-08:00There's a lot of conjecture in what you're saying ...There's a lot of conjecture in what you're saying LeAndre. I honestly don't know if it would've helped. There's nothing technically wrong with Oracle Arena. Neither arena is measurably superior to the other. In Oakland there still would've been a less competitive labor situation, and somehow I imagine the costs would've been much higher if an arena was build downtown. The W's could've ended up in the same situation regardless. And I doubt that Oakland and the Coliseum Authority could've gone to the well a third time for yet another stadium.<BR/><BR/>It sounds good but in practice is simply too expensive. BTW, the 2nd team in HP only plays 8 games a year. Not significant.Marine Layerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13515986023439927575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-37753021162729589442008-12-17T19:20:00.000-08:002008-12-17T19:20:00.000-08:00glad you brought this up ML, because now I get to ...glad you brought this up ML, because now I get to ask this question thats been swimming in my head for some time now...if Oakland would have just built a brand spanking new arena downtown instead of renovating in 96, would the HP Pavilion outsell Oakland? and better yet, would the A's even be moving? considering if there was a new arena DT, the Oracle would get demolished leaving space for another stadium...<BR/><BR/>I know this is all woulda, coulda...but i find all this fascinating, all of the mistakes and missteps Oakland has been making, SJ just seems to be rebounding from it...and as an Oaklander myself, i also find it insanely frustrating...Oakland saw the potential of the HP Pavilion in 93, and instead of just establishing a brand new arena, they once again took the quick fix route, and basically recycled the same old arena they've had since 1968...<BR/><BR/>But to be fair ML, the HP does have two teams who play in the same arena, VS Oracles one, and the Oracle has contractual agreements with the Raiders/A's were the Oracle isn't allowed to host certain events, the HP obviously doesn't have to worry about thatLeAndrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09569820805920440162noreply@blogger.com