tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post113270840717030544..comments2023-10-16T03:27:54.609-07:00Comments on new A's ballpark: Marlins get permission to move from FloridaMarine Layerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13515986023439927575noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-1133293653123085042005-11-29T11:47:00.000-08:002005-11-29T11:47:00.000-08:00The Mets were placed in Queens to address the obvi...The Mets were placed in Queens to address the obvious void created when the Dodgers and Giants left Brooklyn and Manhattan, respectively. Thus the blue and orange colors. There's been no such void in Hoboken. Or Newark. And the value of broadcasting deals stems in part from the popularity of the team. Planting a team in NJ won't automatically assure them of a 1/3 share of the total media pie. In fact, it is entirely possible that such a team would have to position itself as the low-cost alternative to the other two. That makes sense when talking about airports, but major league baseball teams? <BR/><BR/>IIRC, "Pine Barrens" was one of the better "Sopranos" episodes.Marine Layerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13515986023439927575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-1133221351526265312005-11-28T15:42:00.000-08:002005-11-28T15:42:00.000-08:00The New Jersey market will always be attractive ba...The New Jersey market will always be attractive based on the sheer size of the tri-state area. But we're forgetting that several generations of fans have been raised as Yankees or Mets fans, and that just because a team is planted in the Meadowlands doesn't mean people will see it regularly. <BR/><BR/>The attendance for the two indoor sports (Nets, Devils) have been abysmal. Why would that improve for a Meadowlands-based baseball team? NJ Transit only has buses going to the Meadowlands. A ballpark in Northern NJ might follow attendance patterns similar to Milwaukee, where Cubs games are the only guaranteed sellouts (Yankees/Mets in NY).Marine Layerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13515986023439927575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-1133203608782200992005-11-28T10:46:00.000-08:002005-11-28T10:46:00.000-08:00New York had three teams for a long time with no p...New York had three teams for a long time with no problems, and the population of the region has probably doubled(at least)since 1958. Of course the Mets and Yankees will cry that a big chunk of their current fan base comes from the Jersey suburbs, just as the Giants claim that San Mateo and Santa Clara counties are where their core fans live.<BR/><BR/>I know little about the territory up there, but I would guess that if the Marlins were to look deeper into New Jersey(to satisfy any NY concerns), they would then risk upsetting the Phillies fan base in the southern part of the state. <BR/><BR/>MLB needs to venture into new territories, and if Lew Wolff can pull off his plan to finance a stadium by way of selling condos and surrounding commercial space, we're going to see it repeated elsewhere; possibly opening the way for Portland, Charlotte and other places that in the past would have been shut out.Georobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16213186069766951534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-1133142455225265352005-11-27T17:47:00.000-08:002005-11-27T17:47:00.000-08:00Damn Raiders!!For the record, a hypothetical move ...Damn Raiders!!<BR/>For the record, a hypothetical move of the Marlins to Northern New Jersey is not similar whatsoever to an A's move from Oakland to San Jose. Something similar to the A's relocating to San Jose would be the Mets or Yankees moving to the New Jersey Meadowlands (with the region remaining a two-team market). Let's not forget that the A's are already a part of the Bay Area market and that San Jose is not trying to attract a MLB team from thousands of miles away, thus making the Bay Area a three-team market.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-1133123662583993302005-11-27T12:34:00.000-08:002005-11-27T12:34:00.000-08:00When all is said and done, does this all just come...When all is said and done, does this all just come down to who can get a ballpark up first? <BR/><BR/>Regardless of the size and viability of those markets, I often wonder what would happen if someone in a place like Salt Lake, Nashville, Charlotte, Vegas, or even Honolulu just put up a stadium with no commitments from MLB. I think they'd have a team within 5 years, that's what.<BR/><BR/>Why did Oakland get the A's back in '68? It's because they had a FINISHED stadium ready to go. Not on the drawing boards or under construction, but finished. The same thing happened this past year in DC. RFK is as flawed as our Coliseum, but it was THERE, READY, and USABLE(at least for a few years)<BR/><BR/>No other city can say thatGeorobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16213186069766951534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-1132860471574421782005-11-24T11:27:00.000-08:002005-11-24T11:27:00.000-08:00Who really knows what will happen with the A's. Bu...Who really knows what will happen with the A's. But my bet is that 10 years from now we will probably still be having this conversation. Whatever options Wolff has will take some time. People fail to realize that the public, the money, and the building of a stadium all takes a significant amount of time to deal with each. So the A's will more than likely christen their new ballpark in say 2014? <BR/><BR/>I whole heartedly agree with the above statement. The OAKLAND A's will still be here in Oakland, but I truly believe they will be playing in a new park. Either north of the existing site or somewhere downtown. Remember how many times they were moving to Denver and other far flung cities before?<BR/><BR/>So lets not panick and believe they will remain in Oakland, not San Jose nor Fremont.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-1132798120518470952005-11-23T18:08:00.000-08:002005-11-23T18:08:00.000-08:00Who really knows what will happen with the A's. Bu...Who really knows what will happen with the A's. But my bet is that 10 years from now we will probably still be having this conversation. Whatever options Wolff has will take some time. People fail to realize that the public, the money, and the building of a stadium all takes a significant amount of time to deal with each. So the A's will more than likely christen their new ballpark in say 2014?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-1132763453363423012005-11-23T08:30:00.000-08:002005-11-23T08:30:00.000-08:00I think you're right, ML, this is largely a symbol...I think you're right, ML, this is largely a symbolic threat at the moment. But if it should play out with the Marlins moving, I think that is good news for the A's staying local. Why? Well, it will mean one less reasonable market to attract them. Really, none of the available markets are sizable enough to warrant a move. If the Marlins take Portland, there's not much else out there. I don't think Vegas is very realistic due to the sports books and the casinos' desire to keep people in-house, not out at baseball games. The rest are all third-tier cities - less than half the size of the Bay Area. Why move to a much smaller market? Even if you have it all to yourself, your total addressable market is smaller. No business wants to do that.<BR/><BR/>What do you think? Is this just wishful thinking on my part?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-1132733241219618462005-11-23T00:07:00.000-08:002005-11-23T00:07:00.000-08:00I mean "... the west would have 6 teams and the ce...I mean "... the west would have 6 teams and the central and east would have 5 each."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-1132733145355570882005-11-23T00:05:00.000-08:002005-11-23T00:05:00.000-08:00I hope that the Marlins move to Portland. That wo...I hope that the Marlins move to Portland. That would be an excellent city for them. Honstely the Mariners can have no complaint to that. Look how close so many other teams are, there is no way they can claim 2 whole states! Plus the M's get a lot of fans from B.C.<BR/><BR/>If the Marlins do move to Portland it would also be easy to realign the league. Just move Pittsburg to the east (they'll play more games with cross state rivals Philly which I think would generate more revenue). And then the west would have 6 teams and the central would have 5 each.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-1132718228804722502005-11-22T19:57:00.000-08:002005-11-22T19:57:00.000-08:00I'll try to get these in order.1. SLC is small, le...I'll try to get these in order.<BR/><BR/>1. SLC is small, less than 200,000 in the city and 1.3 million in the metro. Some like to lump in the Wasatch Front, but even that gets them to somewhere around 1.8 million, and that's so spread out it's like lumping Sacramento in with the Bay Area. It's not a terrible radio/TV market, but it's smaller than Portland.<BR/><BR/>2. The first thing the PDX people have to do is revise their cost estimates and financing plan, reflective of the recent hikes in construction and materials costs. I look forward to seeing that plan.<BR/><BR/>3. Like I said, this is part of the playbook. Don't be surprised if the A's go the same route should talks with Oakland fail. Though at least with the A's, there appear to be fallback options (Fremont, San Jose). Portland and Vegas are brought up because they were in last year's bidding for the Expos. Portland's already got their machine going, and Vegas mayor Oscar Goodman's probably working the phones right now. San Antonio and Charlotte were both mentioned as possible suitors at one time, but both have just built new arenas with public money. San Antonio is also thinking NFL right now.Marine Layerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13515986023439927575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-1132716885721995662005-11-22T19:34:00.000-08:002005-11-22T19:34:00.000-08:00Do u think this is just a threat to Miami as it ha...Do u think this is just a threat to Miami as it has been with previous teams? If you take a look at the past, almost any team that has a new ballpark had to first threaten to leave the city if one wasn't built. And why Portland or Las Vegas? Or even more why Charlotte?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-1132716779853450482005-11-22T19:32:00.000-08:002005-11-22T19:32:00.000-08:00This is great news for Maury Brown and all the Por...This is great news for Maury Brown and all the Portland Partisans. And despite Portands proximity to the Mariners market, I do support Portland landing a MLB team, possibly the Marlins...JUST LEAVE OUR A'S ALONE!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11432525.post-1132712456909309012005-11-22T18:20:00.000-08:002005-11-22T18:20:00.000-08:00How does Salt Lake City compare?How does Salt Lake City compare?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com